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Change Cookbook categories - recipes by culture

Thanks @L10nM4st3r for pointing out this talk page. I think this might be the best area? - sorry added this to the wrong section!

Summary: suggesting to merge current recipes categorised by "country" into "culture" (e.g. British Cuisine instead of Cuisine of the United Kingdom) as it reflects the cultural aspect of food more, rather than it being limited to a political entity. This including diaspora groups more easily and follows what has already been established by Wikipedia's articles on cuisine.

Discussion from the Cookbook

"I think the way cuisines are currently presented is problematic. Mainly as I think there has been a conflation of the state (e.g. a political entity) with the nation (e.g. community, culture, and identity).

For example, people normally discuss "Chinese food" or "American food", or "French cuisine", rather than "cuisine of France" or "cuisine of the United Kingdom", which is normally presented as "British food/cuisine".

Additionally, when focusing on political entities, rather than cultural identities, it makes it difficult to discuss and record recipes from diaspora groups like Kurdish cuisine where they have no defined/ recognised country.

This has also created a duplication of effort in this Cookbook, as categories exist for both the state throughout Category:Cuisines and the nation/ culture/ identity of a community of people within Category:Recipes by origin - whereas the latter categorisation is more broad, inclusive, and offers more flexibility to record recipes by than focusing on the state itself.

I also feel the precedent to focus on food as a cultural aspect, rather than a political one, has been set by Wikipedia in that articles relating to food focus on cultural identities rather than political ones. E.g. "British Cuisine" rather than "cuisine of the United Kingdom", etc.

Trying to untangle this within the Cookbook will be a little bit of a challenge as a number of edits/ page renaming will need to be made, but I think would be helpful to readers in how recipes are presented".

Initial idea:

  • Rename pages throughout Cookbook:Cuisines from "Cuisine of X" to "X Cuisine" e.g. instead of Cuisine of Albania it would be Albanian Cuisine.
  • Rename Category:Recipes by origin to Category:Recipes by culture

Would be grand to have more input from people Jamzze (discusscontribs) 15:57, 24 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have no objections, but I'm not a cookbookian or a chef. L10nM4st3r/Roar at me 16:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I understand the concern, although I do think there is some value in the identification of state cuisines since the construction of a state can result in cultural blending and the emergence of new, sometimes fusion cuisines. Additionally some things fall into multiple useful categories, neither of which is perfect but both of which have value. Just to make sure I understand, could you (@Jamzze) lay out exactly what you propose to do so we can all get an idea of the scope and what the end product would look like? -- Nostriker (discusscontribs) 03:14, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You have a good point.
Maybe the issue is a little more simple then. I think this issue could be solved by: 1) renaming pages throughout Cookbook:Cuisines from "Cuisine of X" to "X Cuisine" e.g. instead of Cuisine of Albania it would be Albanian Cuisine and 2) rename Category:Recipes by origin to Category:Recipes by culture. Jamzze (discusscontribs) 08:22, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have no particular problem with using "X Cuisine" though it seems like it will require a lot of concerted effort to implement. I'm not sure "Recipes by culture" is the simplest or most accurate since not everything in that category is a culture per se, but they do all have an origin. I do think for both the suggestions you proposed it would be a good idea to get the opinion of an admin and/or someone who's been working on the cookbook for a while! -- Nostriker (discusscontribs) 22:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


just started guide, any suggestions? Thanks. Maxi9090 (discusscontribs) 20:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Maxi9090! You could start by adding a table of contents with links to pages of the book, maybe saying what you do in the game, where it takes place (Russia presumably, based on the name), and a walkthrough on beating the story. Also, the name "james bond" in familiar... Where have I heard it from? I forgot... Dunno why Indiana Jones comes to mind when I say James Bond, but whatever. xD L10nM4st3r / ROAR at me! 22:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh now I remember. I watched it from a few old DVDs my dad once had. L10nM4st3r / ROAR at me! 22:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cookbook recipe style guidelines

I am proposing some cookbook recipe style guidelines at Cookbook_talk:Policy/Recipe_template#Style_guidelines. Feedback is appreciated! —Kittycataclysm (discusscontribs) 15:15, 24 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]